From our archives: Rethinkng the Roblin family tree

by Linda Herman, Crofton, Maryland


Owen Roblin

Owen Roblin as a young man

I have recently begun to question the placement of Owen Roblin Junior, husband of Mary Ruttan, in the family of John Roblin and Sarah Wessels. Was Owen Roblin Junior, the husband of Mary Ruttan, the son of John Roblin or Owen Roblin Senior?

I recently saw a file where the researcher had placed Owen Roblin in the family of Owen Roblin Senior. My immediate thought was “This is an error.” I “inherited” my information of John Roblin and Sara Wessels and their family tree from earlier Wessels researchers and have been content to take it as it was–especially since the research was based on the work of C. Loral Wanamaker, who had done extensive research and is generally accepted as the authority on Roblin history.

However, in an article by Wanamaker, entitled The Roblins…Revisited, they make the following statement: “John Roblin died before letters patent were issued for Lot Number 25. The Heir and Devisee Commission awarded the lot to John Roblin Jr. of Whitby, ‘As eldest son and heir at law of John Roblin deceased’ in July of 1829.”

The information given to me gives a birth date of about 1791 for John Roblin Junior. The birth date of Owen was about 1776. Owen is still living in 1829; from this document it must be concluded that Owen is not the older brother of John Roblin Junior.

Looking at the marriage of Owen Roblin Junior and Mary Ruttan, I have an approximate date of marriage of 1794. Even if Owen had been born in 1776, he would only have been 18 eyars old at the time of his marriage; this is unlikely. though girls married young at this time, boys did not. They  had to be  old enough and capable enough to take care of a family; 18 would be questionable. Owen was likely born before 1776.

One piece of information the Wanamakers did not have was the date of birth for Sarah Wessels; her baptism is recorded in the records of the Dutch reformed Church in Paramus. She was baptised July 5, 1761 and was probably born a few months before that date.

Her sister Arianntje was born in November of 1768 and was baptised one month later. Her brother Nicholas was baptised in 1759. If she had been born by that time she would have been baptised then as well. We know she was born circa 1760-1761. Sarah Wessels would have been 15 or 16 years old in 1776.

Looking at the other children in the family of John Roblin and Sarah, we find the following:

  1. Elizabeth Roblin married Seth Stevens in November 1791. (1)
    To have married in 1791, Elizabeth would have had to have been born in 1776.
  2. Sarah Roblin married James Wilson by or before 1793. (2)
    Sarah needs to have been born about 1777 to be old enough to marry at this time.
  3. Rebecca Roblin married Garret Van Horn in January 1794. (3)
    To have been married in 1794, Rebecca would have to have been born in 1778.

We have Sarah Wessels at 15 or 16 years old in 1776 and th birth of three children about 1776, 1777, and 1778. there is no time for a birth date for Owen Roblin Junior here.

There has also been some question as to the existence of a son Owen for Owen Roblin Senior but there is evidence of his existence and of his age.

  • Return of Disbanded Troops, 4th township (Adolphustown) October 5, 1784 lists Owen Roblin with one male and one boy over the age of ten.
  • The 1786 Provisioning Lists, 4th Township between July 1 and August 31, 1786 lists Owen Roblin with one male and one boy over the age of ten.
  • The old United Empire Loyalist list includes:
    Roblin, Senr., Owen Loyalist
    Roblin, Junr., Owen, son of Philip
    Roblin, Owen P., sone of Owen, Senr., is 21 years of age (4)

Owen P. Roblin Junior, son of Owen Roblin Senior, was born about 1792–quite old enough to marry in 1794 and start a family.

Was there an Owen Roblin, son of John roblin and Sarah Wessels? But if John Junior was the eldest son, he would have to have been born in 1792 or 1793 and would not be the husband of Mary Ruttan. (Author’s note: I find no evidence of “this” Owen Roblin.)

The information we have is compelling and unless something else can be found or shown our information indicates that Owen P. Roblin, the husband of Mary Ruttan is the son of Owen Roblin Senior.

1. The Reverend John Stuart’s Anglican Parish Register Baptisms/Marriages/Funerals, Kingston, Upper Canada 1784-1811

2. James and Sarah Wilson are witnesses to the inventory of John Roblin’s estate in February 1793. She is listed as Sarah Wilson and as married 1792-1793.

3. Anglican Register of the Reverend John Langhorn, Rector of Ernestown 1787-1814

4. Land Board Mecklenbert, 1793, 200


This article was originally published in the June 2001 edition of Quinte KIN.

Students and teachers in front of Victoria School

From our archives: Back to the days of readin’ writin’ and ‘rithmetic

A short history of Victoria School

School Section #8, Ameliasburgh

by Nellie Montgomery


Victoria was known as Bush’s in the 1800s and the school as Bush’s School. It was 1897 before a church was built; as that year was the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Victoria, it was named Victoria Church. Soon, the neighbourhood too became known by that name.

The first school was built in 1836; it was a frame building. The location is thought to have been on the Weese Sideroad. When it ceased to serve as a school the building was moved dto the foot of the McIntyre Hill where it was used as a drive-house for many years.

The 1855 report of the Superintendent of Schools gives the following information: Teacher in 1855 – Peter Stoneburgh; Number of pupils – 57 (30 boys and 27 girls); school was open for six months and one day in 1855.

From 1867 to 1870 the teacher was Henry Jason Parliament. He organized a Sunday School in 1867 in the school house. Church was also held in the school building. The first year he taught school at Bush’s, Mr. Parliament recalled that a wagon drove up to the school house one morning with four men in it, all armed with guns; several dogs followed the wagon. The men asked him to go with them to kill a bear which was over in the woods about a half mile away. Mr Parliament told them he would be delighted to go, but his contract with the trustees did not include bear hunting. They went on without him, but were back about an hour later with a large bear, dead, in the wagon.

Mr. Parliament boarded around, one week in one home then on to another. He said it was a first-class picnic for him, eating the bountiful meals provided for him by the kind-hearted mothers in the homes of this section. He received a salary of $300 per year and paid $1.50 per week to board.

In April of 1879, Mr. and Mrs. Albert Sager donated one half-acre of land on the northeast corner of Lot 88, Concession 2, Ameliasburgh on which a brick school was erected. It was the same size as the present structure and very similar as to windows and front door, but the ceiling was lower.

It as heated by a large wood-burning box stove. Scholars sat in iron-frame double desks. some of these desks are now in the Ameliasburgh Museum. this school was used until 1904 when it became unsafe and torn down.

Mrs. Morton Weese in 1894 received $275; out of her salary she was expected to pay the janitor, who was one of the older boys at school. He built the fires for about $1.50 per month. Mrs. Weese recalled giving the school a good cleaning every Friday in preparation for church in the school on Sunday.

In 1904 the present frame school building was erected. Water always had to be carried from a nearby home. In 1927 a well was drilled but the water was salty. In 1930 the school was painted inside and out, reroofed, had the foundation plastered, new toilets and cement sidewalks built. Hydro was not installed until 1945.

When Victoria School was closed in 1966, it was purchased by Harmon Montgomery.

Victoria School

Victoria School building in later years (likely 1990s)

Ed. note: Victoria School still stands at the corner of Gore Road and Weese Road a few miles north of Ameliasburgh. It appears the building is presently used to house livestock.

Cover photograph taken in 1922.
Back row: Joe Foley, clarence Vanclief, Orval Taft, Roy Brickman, Harry Knox, Haviland Hubbs, Harold Wannamaker, Gerald Brickman, Gerald Pope, Clayton Wannamaker, Harmon Montgomery, John Badgley, Teacher Jim Grimmon, Geraldine Weese, alice Hubbs, Gladys Knox, Evelyn Montgomery, Irma Wannamaker, and vivian Green.
Front row: Bill Knox, Ernie Butchie, Ralph Henessey, Leslie Pope, Jack Delong, Madeline Butchie, Margaret Knox, Evelyn Calnan, Kathleen Montgomery and Florence Hubbs.


This article was originally published in the June 2000 edition of Quinte KIN.